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| On the subject of flogging? Someone just asked if we will soon be flogged for practising Christianity here in good ole Britain... What about us females?! Will we be flogged for being so rude as to show our faces in public?!! Perhaps some kind of shocking device that gives off a small pulse when we attempt to leave the kitchen will be invented?! |
| Hiya KatKat It seems if the Archbishop gets his way then it's a veil for you. He seems to think we should adopt the Muslim legal system in some areas. You could set up a store just outside these areas, renting headscarves and veils. |
| Saudi female TV journalist gets 60 lashes what did La Raza say about this ? RIYADH (Reuters) – A Saudi court sentenced a female journalist to 60 lashes in a case brought after a Lebanese television channel she worked for aired the sex confession of a Saudi man, the reporter and a lawyer said. Rosana, 22, who did not want her full name disclosed, said a court in Jeddah convicted her on Saturday on grounds that the Lebanese Broadcasting Corporation (LBC) she worked for did not have proper authorization to operate in the Islamic kingdom. The ruling follows the sentencing by the same court of Mazen Abdul-Awad to five years in jail and 1,000 lashes earlier in October after he appeared on an LBC show and talked about his sexual exploits. The show has sparked a public outcry in the U.S. ally, one of the world's most conservative countries where clerics have wide-ranging influence and control. "I had nothing to do with Mazen Abdul-Jawad's show. The verdict was just because I cooperated with LBC," the female journalist told Reuters. LBC is a popular channel in Saudi Arabia, one of the world's most conservative societies, and many Saudis tune into its Western-style entertainment programs and talk shows. "I was not aware (that LBC was unlicensed) but in the end this is the verdict and I accept it. I don't want to appeal," Rosana said. The court could not be reached, while a spokesman for the information ministry in Riyadh declined to comment. "This is the first case in which a journalist was tried at a court of summary jurisdiction for an offence relating to the nature of his or her profession," said Sulaiman al-Jumaie, a lawyer who defended Abdul-Jawad. Saudi authorities closed the LBC offices after the show was aired. Saudi billionaire Prince Alwaleed bin Talal is a shareholder in LBC. Abdul-Jawad, a divorced father of four, was arrested in August after discussing his premarital sexual encounters on LBC's "In Bold Red" program. Judges, who are clerics of Saudi Arabia's strict Wahhabi school of Islam, have wide powers of discretion and can issue sentences according to their interpretation of Islamic law, which critics said has led to some arbitrary rulings. King Abdullah has begun to reform education and the judiciary in recent years, partly to discourage Islamic militancy but he faces resistance from clerics. news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_saudi_flog… |
| Keep in mind this is Saudi Arabia, she is probably lucky she didn't get beheaded for a punishment. |
| Was the Obama Administration's report to the UN Human Rights Council just to slander Arizona or plain naiveté? The idea of Obama confessing and apologizing for the sins of the USA to the UN Human Rights Council quite honestly disgusts me; the member nations of the UNHRC is a literal who's who of some of the most oppressive regimes in the world: Saudi Arabia - Public flogging and amputation still a common form of punishment Angola - Genocide and rampant police corruption, not enough to keep them off the list Cuba - Their complete disregard of human rights has been documented for decades Ghana - Female genital mutilation, murder by police and security forces common Malaysia - Human Rights Watch described their human trafficking system as "Excellent" Nigeria - Human trafficking, forced prostitution, rape, murder and extortion by police common and the President of the United States has submitted our nation to the scrutiny of a council consisting of this filth? |
| It was in line with Obama's general hating of all things American. |
| Religion causes war, are you proud? A world without religion would equal the twin towers to still be standing, would equal no suicide bombers, no crusades, no witch hunts, no Israeli/Palestinian wars or Serb/Croat/Muslim massacres, no persecution of Jews, no taliban to blow up ancient statues, or public beheadings of blasphemers, no flogging of female skin for showingg an inch of it... the list goes on and on... All of this is caused by religion, and the greed of men wanting power and dominance over other men. As a religious person, how can you justify and be proud of the history of your faith? |
| Superbia, a sin? LOL! well i'd find it hard to be proud of the following: new testament: Timothy 2:11 -14 "A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.” Torah: (Deuteronomy 20:10-16) "But in the towns of these peoples whose land the Lord your God is giving you for your heritage, let no living thing be kept alive." Koran: IV.89: They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper. Hence my choice of an non-theist viewpoint. |
| Would you take the risk of being flogged, like these feminists? Why or why not? AP article:"Police beat women opposing Sudan dress code trial": news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ml_sudan_wome… KHARTOUM, Sudan – Sudanese police fired tear gas and beat women protesting at the trial Tuesday of a female journalist who faces a flogging for wearing trousers in public. Sudanese journalist Lubna Hussein could receive 40 lashes if found guilty of violating the country's indecency law which follows a strict interpretation of Islam. The 43-year-old says the law is un-Islamic and "oppressive," and she's trying to use her trial to rally support to change it. "I am not afraid of flogging. ... It's about changing the law," Hussein said, speaking to The Associated Press after a hearing Tuesday. Around 100 supporters, including many women in trousers as well as others in traditional dress, protested outside the court Tuesday. "We are here to protest against this law that oppresses women and debases them," said one of the protesters, Amal Habani, a female columnist for the daily Ajraas Al Hurria, or Bells of Freedom in Arabic. Would you take the risk of being flogged, like these feminists? Why or why not? |
| I would support them. And K these women are feminists. They are opposing a law that singles out women. Men are not barred from wearing trousers in public. EDIT Sadly shakes head. After two years on here these people (example col, luca) still do not get what feminism is- they beleive these "antis" and their totally bogus definition of what feminism is. This is feminism in action. These women are feminists. One said ""We are here to protest against this law that oppresses women and debases them,"". |
| A Question for Muslims, Is Allah really all that concerned about Islamic dress code? Sudanese police beat women, fire tear gas to stop protest over dress code trial KHARTOUM, Sudan - Sudanese police fired tear gas and beat women protesting outside a Sudanese court Tuesday during the trial of a female journalist accused of violating the Islamic dress code by wearing trousers in public. ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/09080… |
| May be or may not be. But dress code only for women i dont understand. |
| Would you consider this as equality? (no offense meant to our muslim brothers and sisters. i have a few muslim friends and have lived in 2 arab countries) why is it that a lot of muslims in most arab countries want the right to express themselves be honored when in other countries but they dont want to honor other people's rights to express themselves when in their countries. in saudi arabia for instance, to practice one's religion or even just to hold a conversation with the opposite sex is prohibited. mutawas or the religious police would just appear out of nowhere and would flog you in public. muslim nurses/doctors in uk and ireland are demanding to be allowed to wear their head cover in theater/operating room just like what they do back in their countries. but female expats again in saudi are forced to wear abayas/black body cover even in summer. the muslims i have asked about this stated it is done to protect the expats from other muslims not exposed to the free world. or is it? |
| You gotta understand a lot of these Muslim/Arab immigrants are coming from countries that have a "It's my way or the highway" mentality. So when they move to these Western nations like the US or UK were everyone is entitled to their opinions and expression, it feels alien and out of the ordinary to them. Not to sound racist or anything, but I personally think a lot of them feel it's "wrong" for other people to have an opinion on something. It's true that they immigrate to these Western countries, then get angry about the fact that they are surrounded by so many non-Muslims. What really gets me is the fact that some of them have dared demand that the UK or US change it's ways in order to accommodate them. Example, some of them want to replace the laws we have now with Muslim law. I can guarantee you that if a Westerner were to go to a Muslim country and freely express his/her opinions and say that that country should abandoned it's Muslim traditions and adopt Western ways, that person would run into a lot of trouble. Yet they still feel it's okay for THEM to come to Western countries and demand that that country change it's ways and adopt Muslim laws. While the Muslims I'm referring to are only a handful out of Muslims in general, their the ones who get all the media attention. So while it would be wrong to judge all Muslim/Arab immigrants based on the actions of a few, I understand what you mean and I see were your coming from. Unfortunately though, you would most likely be labeled a bigot and a racist if you were to voice your views because of the politically correct society we live in. Best wishes. |
| Do you think a lot would be achieved if only women of the world supported each other in their time of need? Isn't it just great how Sudanese women from different political parties and groupings stand with together in their support of Lubna Hussein? Would you put aside your differences to stand by another in her time of need? Or would petty differences stop you? KHARTOUM, Sudan – Sudanese police fired tear gas and beat women protesting outside a Sudanese court Tuesday during the trial of a female journalist accused of violating the Islamic dress code by wearing trousers in public. Police moved in swiftly and dispersed about 50 protesters, mostly women, who were supporting Lubna Hussein, a former U.N. worker facing 40 lashes on the charge of "indecent dressing." Some of the women demonstrators wore trousers in solidarity with Hussein while others wore more traditional dress. Hussein was among 13 women arrested July 3 in a raid by the public order police on a popular cafe in Khartoum. Ten of the women were flogged at a police station two days later and fined 250 Sudanese pounds, or about $120.But Hussein and two others decided to go on trial. She has sought to publicize her case internationally, inviting human rights workers, Western diplomats and fellow journalists to witness her trial. "I am not afraid of flogging. ... It's not about flogging. It's not about my innocence. It's about changing the law," Hussein said, speaking to The Associated Press after the hearing Tuesday. "We are here to protest against this law that oppresses women and debases them," said one of the protesters, Amal Habani, a female columnist for the daily Ajraas Al Hurria, or Bells of Freedom in Arabic. Hussein has lauded her supporters, saying they showed that "Sudanese women from different political parties and groupings stand with us." |
| I wish I could be with the woman in question to support her she is brave and god bless her. x |
| With the invention of the internet, institutions such as cubs and guides and David Cameron talking up his 'big? society' we were the first institution to point out to the coalition 'democratic' government that if it wanted to change the culture of Britian to prevent it from decending into civil war then the cuts it 'reluctantly' embraced were going to have to happen intelligently. Step 1 Affirm that the British culture is moderate and multicultural, public sector cuts should not have been planned without the fears of the workforce being somewhat addressed by, for example, not cutting benefits as peace and freedom should be part of the social security package, be a decent citizen (learn some local history and road names), don't resort to crime and, due to automation, workers enjoy lower insurance premiums and can be free. Not a bad deal but as democracy only represents a training issue on those who voted for the right wing... Step 2 Once it's been established we live in a multicultural tourist town (see above) issue a code book on how to bring up and/or educate guyren to the degree that they 'do as they are told' by business (you can leave the best practice and rewards structure for compliant with human rights businesses to us, we do exist for a reason don't you know) at whichever level they enter the workplace and put in place theory and practical exams for the retired, capable disabled (decided using common sense), law abiding and risk assessed 'volunteers'. For too long professionals within the public sector have been put under pressure to prove that the right wing does not cause attrocity and are unfairly targetted for the ills of the worl while the fanatical social worker ('I LOVE guyren; and money') fail to spot lies pre prepared by abusers, these people are mostly female for heavens sake. Step 3 Close the secondary schools and flog off the land. Anyway to our question, semantics aside, how much money do you think that will save: a) Year one b) Year five c) Year one hundred We have found this link on the net and until the coalitian takes the site down (it's apt at censorship (removing freedom) already!) towson.edu/heartfield/images/Don%… |
| i have read most of this, but British culture, that has been rubbished by people who have no thought for Britain, or indeed any idea of actually being part of it. I only have to look around me to see that. Multiculturalism hasn't worked well so far, the same applies, open ears, eyes. Sections of London are now almost entirely asian, where did the folks go that lived there 30/40 years ago, many dead, but those other elderly still live there, but have largely been forgotten. The internet has been with us for a long time now, and can be a force for good, but as we have seen a force for such evil, people who do harm not just to guyren, but adults who do not agree with their ideologies. There is a good deal of hatred, dislike in people in this country now. When you have so many cultures all clashing, and fighting for their little bit of territory. Public sector has become a white elephant, if i can use that phrase. it is so over staffed that it has become a law unto itself. And the foolish political correctness that has invaded our society has caused untold damage, common sense has gone almost entirely. I am not talking about something i know nothing of but having witnessed all this and more. I live in this city, am part of it, but don't recognise it at all. Nor the country that my forefathers fought for, democracy, and believe it or not freedom. To express ones views, to say what needs to be said, and believe me when i say that what i witness now, with CCTV monitoring our every move, phone, e mails possibly being monitored, and that so often the legal system failing at every turn to jail those that make other peoples lives a misery. I believe in the following, that for any one to come to a host country, whether its Brits who live abroad, or people who settle here, you fit in, obey their laws, and try and be a responsible member of that society. Not demand that everyone else should see things your way. David Cameron has his work cut out in modern Britain, as many are leaving for the reason that they see the land of their birth being cut to ribbons and handed piecemeal to others who have proved themselves unworthy. |